Q: How old were you then?A: It would have been, like, first grade. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. Tho I have been told that both daughters have been burned. He tracked me down. "I am the strongest person in this tragedy because I have lost everything," she told one journalist who came knocking a decade after the assassination. Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs -- as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. "That is the only thingI don't really believe she really believes he is innocent. Now, Mom does articles that she doesn't bother to tell me she's doing, and sometimes my name comes up. During college, Rachel supported herself at the Texas Chili Parlor in Austin. So I said, O.K, this is it. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. I also had an interview for Rachel Oswald, but haven't located it. We were studying the Presidents. Her coldness struck me. Lee Harvey Oswald also was accused of killing Dallas police officer J.D. This was before wiretapping got more sophisticated. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. Believe me, if anybodys in their right mind, its Mrs. Margeurite Oswald.. But she did. And they got my mother on television in a live interview - she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language - and they were asking her specific questions about this book. Q: On your relationship with her as well? Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination? ", John Pic, Lees half-brother, took a particularly cynical view toward his mother's behavior after the assassination. But I don't remember that. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. A: The first time l saw it l was very upset, but it gets to the point where it almost becomes unreal, this movie you're watching that has very little to do with you as a person. I didn't really want to be the center of gossip in this whole building. And more: "There were some violent scenes. Whom do you really think of as dad?A: Kenneth. In Dallas, Porter gave birth to a second daughter, Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald. She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. When I was reading the interview with June and she made the comment abouty getting the, call from someone who had written a song at first I was a little jarred. A: I do. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories?A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get involved in all that, mostly as part of trying to get the records released. Two Lutheran ministers had agreed to conduct the service at the request of the Reverend Louis Saunders, an interdenominational Christian minister. Mrs. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing.Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee. If she were in contact with my children nowI do not want her to cripple them.". My first serious boyfriend -- that's what he was fascinated about. Oswald was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 18, 1939 to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Sr. (18961939) and Marguerite Frances Claverie (19071981). Robert Oswald died of a heart attack two months before Lee was born. (Oswald declined all financial offers.). But you have to understand that, aside from what role he had in the assassination, there's the issue of what role he had in our family. Everyone was guilty of everything and no one understood her. However, she was not implicated in the assassination but testified against Oswald during the Warren Commission hearings. It was one of many strange, discordant reactions that led many to question her sanity in the days and years aheadand to find the likely source of many of her sons problems. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you.". Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs - as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. There's a lot of genetic things you can't even control that are inborn in your kids.Q: How are things between you and your mom these days?A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chilli Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute.Q: Did you see the "Seinfeld" episode in which they're at the ball park, and they get spat upon, and --A: The "second spitter," right. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". She hadn't read it. So this little boy she was going with, his parents were going to come get her and they were going to go to the dance. Additionally, Porter told the commission she believed her husband was guilty of shooting President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963. It was her meetings with the Warren Commission, as well interviews with the FBI, that prevented Oswald from coming to Ann Arbor in 1964. I had a conversation like that with her in about 88. Oh great!". These women were left with a horrible legacy and have no doubt tried to separate their father from his legend- father as Lone Nut, a disgrace or Government worker and valiant spy, patsy? He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then -- I think it was $25,000. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. _________________________________________. A: Yes and no. A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It was hilarious.Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? Mom accused me one day of being ashamed of who I was. Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this?A: Yes. That catches you off guard when you just wake up. My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald - Everything You Wanted To Know About Lee Harvey Oswald's Daughter - Ned Hardy Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald was born on Now shes a widow, too, was the headline in newspapers across the country. (1963 - 2013) Photos: 50. Dr. Ernest T. Campbell, welcomed the idea as the one thing we might do to partially redeem the tragedy.. People sent us money following the assassination, because Mom was young with two small children and didn't speak the language. Rachel felt differently. Oswald was among 30 students in her English Language Institute course. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. It was just kind of eerie.Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up.A: I remember Rachel's seventh-grade dance. She is convinced that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. Hey Dixie! A: I would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. But in the shadow of this grim but stirring processionon that same MondayLee Harvey Oswald was quietly buried in Fort Worth, Texas. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chili Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. She copied it and put it on all my staff's desks. A: It would have been, like, first grade. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. She seemed without grief, filled instead with outrageicy, edgy, and spoiling to argue. But earlier this month, the Daily Mirror, the It was in Minsk that, in 1959, she met an American, Lee Harvey Oswald, who had defected to the USSR at the height of the Cold War, when tensions between the U.S. and the Soviets were running high. She remains protective of her privacy, distancing herself and her sons, ages 6 and 3, from the oddball clique of assassination cultists who have dogged the Oswald women -- Marina, now 53, June, and Rachel, 31 -- ever since the events of Nov. 22, 1963. The only mention of Q: Tell me about growing up in the aftermath of the assassination. I had already written a we got to President Clinton to try to make sure he would appoint this review board from the Bush legislation to review assassination records, and to release those records. I don't blame him for not being here for me. A: Mom kept us together. In her early years, grocery Want to share an anonymous news tip? Records do not show who conceived the idea to invite Oswald to study at U-M, only that the person was a member of First Presbyterian who also taught at the English Language Institute. Because some people have called me and said, "I knew your father and he really loved you." I've wondered what my kids are going to turn out like. These rarely-seen pictures of President John F. Kennedy's assassination, autopsy, and funeral reveal the full story of the shooting that shook the nation in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963. Are we going to vilify and harass her for what her husband was accused of doing? Within weeks, donations topped $12,000 and by early 1964 would grow to $70,000 the equivalent of nearly $600,000 today. Born in New Orleans, Louisiana, the son of Robert Edward Lee Oswald and Marguerite https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/30/magazine/lee-harveys-oldest-june-oswald.html. As for what his exact role in the assassination was -- well, he'll have to be judged for that before God. I don't think that's true. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald is the second daughter of Porter and her first husband Lee Harvey Oswald. Mom was always overprotective of us. Are they going to take after some ancestor we don't even know? We always had this really bad connection, and when you'd pick up the phone you'd hear that other click. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. I do remember that our phones were tapped. Chris Holmstrom CBS, Bio, Wiki, Age, Wife, KCAL9, Salary, and Net Worth, Charley Pride Death, Bio, Wiki, Age, Wife, Children, Songs, Albums, and Net Worth. MORE THAN 30 YEARS AFTER the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald is a name that will not go away. JFK assassination revisited and Rachel Oswald Porter. Are they going to take after some ancestor we don't even know? Mostly I feel bad that Lee was never able to tell his story. I think her physical health and mental health have been damaged in recent years over all of the pressures put on her.Q: After all this time?A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. She remains protective of her privacy, distancing herself and her sons, ages 6 and 3, from the overall clique of assassination cultists who have dogged the Oswald women - Marina, now 53, June, and Rachel, 31 - ever since the events of Nov. 22, 1963. [3] They married six weeks later and had a Reporters came over and she would tell us, "Shhhh, go in the other room.". Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. ", There was no expression of remorse, no regret, only an unceasing drive to carry on, fight on, despite the abandonment of her family and friends. I don't blame him for not being here for me. But it was so funny because Mom talked to them for - I mean, nobody noticed that the date wasn't there! It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. She kept herself together for us. Scheduled to start classes in January 1965, Oswalds arrival was leaked just days before Christmas, forcing the University to acknowledge her enrollment in a terse news release. And then she was gone. She had been in the United States all of 17 Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that? Judyth Vary Baker, the lover of Lee Harvey Oswald, gave her perspective on the medias treatment of Oswald since his death to a group of professors and community members at Loyola University on Saturday in New Orleans. daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald spoke on her feeling. After her husbands death, she said she wanted to stay in the United States and improve her English. Jackie Kennedys pink dress. By the early 60s it was enrolling hundreds of students a year for intensive courses in vocabulary, composition, and grammar. The next memory I actually have is in second grade. "It is my own opinion that she is out right now to make as much money as she can on her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald," he told the Warren Commission. "She has a mania: money, money, money," Marina told the Warren Commission several months later. It might not have told us very much about the assassination of JFK but it provides an excellent insight into what it must be like to be the child of a much hated historical figure. Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination?A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. See for example this thread and interview: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=659, http://www.jfkresearch.com/marina/marina.htm. Despite his involvement with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and other communist - sympathizing groups, Baker insisted Oswald had always remained loyal to theUnited States. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. I've never seen her act like that, like she needed to become more of a crusader, and it's taking its toll.Q: On your relationship with her as well?A: It has put certain strains on it. It was hilarious. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit. She wished to face reality, not dodge it, the church reported in its newsletter. Image: Marina was stunned by Marguerites aggressive publicity seeking and despised her incessant focus on money. Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? And you know, it's not Lee's fault he got killed by Jack Ruby. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. The public first came to know Marina Oswald through a black-and-white photograph snapped as she left a Dallas jail, where her husband was held after the Kennedy shooting. She implored the audience to question accepted knowledge about the assassination. I didn't break down and cry or anything. It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. Marina Oswald remarried, had a son, and continues to live in Texas. Her two daughters fathered by Lee Oswald grew up to be attractive ladies and ar Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. As UPI reporter Preston McGraw noted, "One at a time, quickly, the two women bent down and kissed the corpse.". thanks for posting that interview I had not read it before. I try to hold that in the back of my head. John F. Kennedy, on November 24, 1963, as Oswald was being transferred to a county jail. So she became a sort of tourist attraction. Six weeks ", With several months to reflect after the President's assassination and her husband's death, Marina's views had hardened. Tags: Assassination, Conspiracy, JFK, Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Marina Oswald, Television, L.D.C. Just out of the blue. He tried to after the arrest but everybody discounted it. I try to hold that in the back of my head. Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." After a quick, makeshift service, Marguerite barely missed a beat before stepping up to a television camera: "Lee Harvey Oswald, my son, even after his death, has done more for his country than any other living human being.". June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. For all I know it's still tapped. Upon entering public school, June took the surname of her stepfather, Kenneth Porter, who married Marina in 1965. Destructive 'Super Pigs' From Canada Threaten the Northern U.S. Did an Ancient Magnetic Field Reversal Cause Chaos for Life on Earth 42,000 Years Ago? U-M has had its share of students with famous family ties often parents who are high-profile politicians, Hollywood stars and corporate CEOs. It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. She should send James Files a letter. I didn't break down and cry or anything. Do I need to be more compassionate about it? Standing outside the North University Building (located roughly near todays Biological Sciences Building), Oswald agreed to be photographed. Born in Dallas, Texas on October 20, 1963 to Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Nichola nee Proosakova Porter. Now and then, she would receive calls from television or newspaper reporters seeking to interview the mother of the assassin, the self-described "mother in history." My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. Very interesting. What if, she proposed, the church brought Mrs. Oswald to study English at the University of Michigan? Furthermore, two days later he was shot and killed by nightclub owner Jack Ruby while still in police custody. Although Baker was not in Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was shot, she said she spoke with Oswald 37 hours before. Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. So I never connected it as a big negative or anything. At U-M, she would join 29 international students from Mexico, Israel, Greece, the Dominican Republic and elsewhere hoping to improve their English. Bakers talk came in preparation for the 50th anniversary of Kennedys assassination on Nov. 22. I started worrying about, first of all, do I have a responsibility to tell them? Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this? As America's obsession with her father goes on, a daughter tries to set the record straight. Q: What are your thoughts on Norman Mailer's new book? Q: Do you worry about telling your children as they grow up? A: Kenneth. A: I remember Rachel's seventh grade dance. I have to remind Rachel that this is the man who beat our mother, who didn't provide for his children. She believes that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. Why have you started to speak out?A: Well, there was a lot of misinformation being released related to a book, "Case Closed," by Gerald Posner. DALLAS (WBAP/KLIF News) Robert Edward Lee Oswald Jr., the older brother of presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, has died in Wichita Falls. I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. We regard Mrs. Oswald as a typical institute student, said ELI Director John C. Catford when her enrollment was announced. You will be able to leave a comment after signing in, political justice, conspiracy/truth, music, law, Bible prophecy, quote name='John Geraghty' date='May 13 2006, 02:49 PM' post='62308']. Q: I guess you must be encouraged that the review board was finally sworn in last year. Q: How are things between you and your mom these days? She looks just like her father, with her mother's eyes. I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. Q: I assume you've seen the footage of Lee being shot by Jack Ruby. Rachel believes her father was involved in the. The first chapter opens with my family, and he goes way back to my great-grandmother in Russia. Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy. A: Not until recently. Oswalds wife Marina, two daughters, brother Robert and mother Marguerite were the only mourners. There was a bill passed at the end of the Bush Administration that required all Government agencies to review their files for any information related to the assassination and to release it -- unless they felt there were matters of national security or a couple of other issues. (June has requested that her married name, which she still uses in business, not be printed), Despite privacy concerns, she's pushing for the release of all records pertaining to the assassination. Ann Arbor police and campus officials vehemently denied the reports; Oswald herself told them she had not been assaulted in any way, physically or verbally. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father -- or a good provider. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." Wish there were more, by the family of Lee. Thank you for posting this excellent article. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was -- that it wasn't Kenneth -- and who Lee was and what he had done. ), When commission members presented her with paperwork written in English by her husband, she recognized his handwriting but did not comprehend the words. There were a lot of things leading up to that that they wanted Mom to do, and Mom in recent years has gotten more and more involved, I guess because she's getting older and trying to rectify some of the things she may have done unintentionally - like stating publicly that Lee did it. You have permission to edit this article. Others told us that our action was unwise, still others that it was unfair. She uses her stepfathers name, Porter, to avoid unwanted attention from being related to an infamous character. Thanks for the video; I'd never seen it before. Later that year the family moved from Russia to the United States. That didn't set well with me. I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. So I sat across the hall in a time-out room. His oldest daughter, June, I believe attended the Univ. of Texas and graduated first in her class or very high in her class. Shes made some TV app He beat my mother. 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